in the virginia case that was heard a few weeks ago, the stand-alone case the state of virginia brought, the court there found that standing exists and thiebl court will find that too. we have the right to be there in court today, we need to go forward on this. it's not the only count in here. there's six counts we're arguing. >> pat buchanan. >> congressman, if you can get the individual mandate basically invalidated as unconstitutional, does obamacare unravel? >> yes, it does. the fact is there's no what's called a severability clause. there's no severability clause in this law. so under the way our laws work, if any one provision is declared unconstitutional, the entire legislation goes down as unconstitutional plus the mandate is viewed as the linchpin. everybody says without it this legislation doesn't work. you have to go back to a different model of how you solve the health care model and that's what i personally think they should be doing. in our case, our state simply can't afford this. >> bill mccullum, it's always great talking to you and i'm sure we'll have you back as judge